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We're an Eco-village, Educational Facility & Cultural Hub, located on a beautiful river in the Byron Bay Hinterland.
We have been closed to the public since March 2020, and no longer host retreats or events. Currently there are people living here like a community.
We could use some help to maintain our gardens and grounds.
Types d'aide et opportunités d'apprendre
Jardinage
Bricolage et construction
Entretien général
Objectifs de développement durable de l’ONU que cet hôte essaie d'atteindre
Echange culturel et opportunités d'apprendre
Travellers can learn about sustainable living, permaculture, and a lot about alternative philosphies.
Aide
Workawayers will help in the garden or with general ground maintenance.
Sometimes you would be working with another person, but sometimes you would work on your own.
We have a minimum age of 20, and our minimum stay is 2 weeks.
Langues parlées
Anglais: Courant
Espagnol: Courant
Français: Courant
Japonais: Courant
Chinois (mandarin): Courant
Hébergement
Accommodation is in comfortable cabins. There's no wifi available where you stay, but there is 4G signal with Telstra network. Aldi is a good cheap option for a mobile service that uses Telstra.
We supply organic veggies and basic supplies, but we don't cook for our volunteers.
We're a mostly vegetarian property, and prefer that you dont bring meat here. We also dont have Coca-Cola or other heavily processed unhealthy foods here. We ask that while you stay with us, that you dont bring these things into Paradise.
Autres infos...
We're located 15 minutes drive from Byron Bay. There is no public transport around here, and you would probably want your own vehicle to be able to come and go as you like.
The closest airport to us is Ballina. If you fly into Ballina, we can pick you up there. If you fly into Gold Coast or Brisbane, you can take a bus to Byron Bay, and we can meet you at the bus stop. There are also Greyhound buses that come to Byron Bay from many places.
Informations complémentaires
Accès Internet
Accès Internet limité
Nous avons des animaux
Nous sommes fumeurs
Familles bienvenues
Espace pour garer des vans
Cet hôte a de la place pour les vans.
Combien de volontaires pouvez-vous accueillir ?
Deux
Nombre d'heures attendues
18
N° de référence hôte : 428392764292
Feedback (35)
25 juin 2021
Laissé par le workawayer (Christopher & Moana) pour l'hôte
Wow our stay in paradise changed our lives, thanks so much Frank and Yao. We learnt so much about living on the land and what's required to look after and maintain it, and how to tend to a bio dynamic garden. It was an awesome experience to live in a place where people shared their values with the food they ate, the products they consumed and the… read more
10 sept. 2020
Laissé par le workawayer (Jenny) pour l'hôte
I am so so glad I got to experience life at the place - it will not be forgotten! The food was absolutely unbelievable, the grounds were spectacular and I learned a lot about alternative theories, philosophies and ways of life. Thank you Franky & Yao for your hospitality and kindness, and wishing you all the best!!
11 mars 2019
Laissé par le workawayer (Mauricio & Paula) pour l'hôte
Paradise, what a magic place! The name couldn’t be better suited. I spend there 1 months learning aboyt permaculture with Bradley, Joey and Bunya, the farmers, each workday was a lesson! Then eating that amazing food that we harvest the same cooked by Frank and Yao. I never had such and amazing vegetarian food for so long! The place is just… read more
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25 juin 2021
Laissé par le workawayer (Christopher & Moana) pour l'hôte
Wow our stay in paradise changed our lives, thanks so much Frank and Yao. We learnt so much about living on the land and what's required to look after and maintain it, and how to tend to a bio dynamic garden. It was an awesome experience to live in a place where people shared their values with the food they ate, the products they consumed and the… read more
10 sept. 2020
Laissé par le workawayer (Jenny) pour l'hôte
I am so so glad I got to experience life at the place - it will not be forgotten! The food was absolutely unbelievable, the grounds were spectacular and I learned a lot about alternative theories, philosophies and ways of life. Thank you Franky & Yao for your hospitality and kindness, and wishing you all the best!!
11 mars 2019
Laissé par le workawayer (Mauricio & Paula) pour l'hôte
Paradise, what a magic place! The name couldn’t be better suited. I spend there 1 months learning aboyt permaculture with Bradley, Joey and Bunya, the farmers, each workday was a lesson! Then eating that amazing food that we harvest the same cooked by Frank and Yao. I never had such and amazing vegetarian food for so long! The place is just… read more
10 nov. 2018
Laissé par l'hôte pour le workawayer (Harrison & Veronique)
Harry & Vero were great volunteers, always keen to help out and learn new things. As well as helping in the kitchen, garden, and with housekeeping, they also left a lasting mark by painting a floor mandala in our yurt. Vero learned to bake sourdough bread, and kept us supplied while she was here. They are a creative couple, and bring a warm,… read more
(Excellent
)
7 oct. 2018
Laissé par le workawayer (Harrison & Veronique) pour l'hôte
Ahhhh Paradise.. a little late on writing this reply but wanted to make sure to leave our few words of praise here for this magical wonderland. The two of us stayed here for 3 months and feel like we lived a whole lifetime in the incredibly inspiring confines of this land.
The most special thing to mention is the level of friendship that was… read more
The most special thing to mention is the level of friendship that was… read more
10 nov. 2018
Laissé par le workawayer (Anna Quynh) pour l'hôte
Big hug and thanks to Yao and Frank for all that energy they've put into sharing a good idea for a sustainable lifestyle with other travellers from all over the world. I was surrounded by people who didnt take environmental problems seriously at home and then I came to a place where every person, who had something to do with this project, tries to… read more
11 août 2018
Laissé par le workawayer (Andra) pour l'hôte
My time here was beyond what I could’ve ever hoped for. I spent 6 weeks working alongside Frank, Yao, and the other Workaway volunteers. Every day I learned something new; whether it was helping whip up a delicious vegan recipe, planting & harvesting organic fruits and veggies from the permaculture gardens, or weeding and planting native flora… read more
5 juil. 2018
Laissé par l'hôte pour le workawayer (Nupur)
We really enjoyed hosting Nupur. She was friendly and well-liked by everybody here. She was motivated and a great help, whether in the kitchen, the garden or in housekeeping. We wish her well and hope to see her again.
(Excellent
)
4 juil. 2018
Laissé par le workawayer (Nupur) pour l'hôte
I loved my time at Paradise, and that was largely thanks to Frank and Yao's generous hospitality. They've created something truly special and anyone lucky enough to experience it will undoubtedly feel touched and inspired. I learned so much about community, cooking, gardening, nature, life, travel, people, and so much more while at Paradise. I… read more
5 juil. 2018
Laissé par l'hôte pour le workawayer (Julia & Mahyar)
Julia & Mario are a beautiful couple, and we enjoyed having them stay with us. They were motivated helpers, and eager to learn new things. They helped in the kitchen, in the garden, cleaning, and general maintenance. We recommend them to any host and wish them well in their travels.
(Excellent
)
15 mai 2018
Laissé par le workawayer (Julia & Mahyar) pour l'hôte
An epic and marvelous experience, and an awesome choice of 1st Workaway according to the more experienced volunteers.
Truly a place to be inspired by other peoples mindset. Many of us come from such different places, and were so very different, but yet everyone came along as a big family and was vibrating on the same frequency.
This is a place… read more
Truly a place to be inspired by other peoples mindset. Many of us come from such different places, and were so very different, but yet everyone came along as a big family and was vibrating on the same frequency.
This is a place… read more
5 juil. 2018
Laissé par l'hôte pour le workawayer (Cheela)
Cheela was a great Workawayer. She's intelligent, a fast learner, and happy to get involved wherever needed. She's a kind and caring person, and it was a pleasure to host her here. She's very well read and we had some great conversations about literature and films. We recommend her highly.
(Excellent
)
10 mai 2018
Laissé par le workawayer (Cheela) pour l'hôte
From the moment I arrived at (the aptly named) here I felt completely welcomed and embraced by the lovely people and lush landscape awaiting me. My first workaway experience could not have been more wonderful, I left a month ago now but still find it hard to encapsulate how truly magical this project is. Frank and Yao have a strong vision to… read more
19 avr. 2018
Laissé par le workawayer (Matias) pour l'hôte
I had such an amazing time in the Paradise!! I felt part of the comunity and enjoyed every moment. I met wonderful people here and I learned a lot. The place is beautiful surronded by nature, very comfortable accomodation and the food outstanding!! About the work you can join diferent departments as gardening, cleaning, general maintance and… read more
19 avr. 2018
Laissé par l'hôte pour le workawayer (Matias)
Matias was an excellent workawayer. He was motivated, always happy to help wherever needed. He was interested to learn new things. He brought a cheerful and light energy to the group, and it was great to have him around. We would highly recommend him to any host.
(Excellent
)
5 avr. 2018
Laissé par le workawayer (Matteo & Diana) pour l'hôte
My experience was amazing. I don’t have any other word to describe.
I been there for four month and I learn a lot about super tasty recipe and new way to leave the life.
The group of residence and volunteers are super cool and friendly and I found a new family.
If you are ready to see on other way to leave I can only suggest this place.
A lot of… read more
I been there for four month and I learn a lot about super tasty recipe and new way to leave the life.
The group of residence and volunteers are super cool and friendly and I found a new family.
If you are ready to see on other way to leave I can only suggest this place.
A lot of… read more
23 mars 2018
Laissé par l'hôte pour le workawayer (Matteo & Diana)
Matteo is a rare gem of a human being. He brings a light and joyful energy to everything he does, raising everybody's spirits. He is happy to get involved wherever and whenever, and gives his full energy to everything he does. He is an accomplished chef too, and creates beautiful food.
He is the perfect workawayer!
He is the perfect workawayer!
(Excellent
)
23 mars 2018
Laissé par l'hôte pour le workawayer (Andrea)
Andrea is a great workawayer. He was happy to help wherever most needed, and was always willing to help. He brought a cheerful energy, and was good company. We would recommend him highly to any host.
(Excellent
)
23 mars 2018
Laissé par le workawayer (Andrea) pour l'hôte
Well my time in the community was just great!! I've really had the time of my life, I was meant to stay for a month and ended up staying for two and it was really hard to leave too. Place itself is a proper "Paradise" reach of wild animals and beautiful nature. I had the chance to experience what sustainability and community living mean, working… read more
4 mars 2018
Laissé par le workawayer (Iggiotti & Iggiotti) pour l'hôte
We spent a month here and it was a great adventure for the both of us. The place is really special, with amazing natural beauty, and a huge garden. We loved gardening with Joey Vegetables, and we loved cooking with Frank, Yao and Mateo, as well as eating their splendid and inspiring food.
We met incredible people from all around the world and… read more
We met incredible people from all around the world and… read more
7 févr. 2018
Laissé par l'hôte pour le workawayer (Emma)
Emma is a very special person. Although she only stayed with us 2 weeks, she left a lasting impact. She has a beautiful, positive energy, and was an enthusiastic and motivated helper. We just wished she could have stayed longer!
(Excellent
)
7 févr. 2018
Laissé par le workawayer (Emma) pour l'hôte
i spent two weeks there this past july, and my experience was beyond words. it's all still so fresh... working with the land, a way of life based on community and giving, vulnerability, the oneness of all beings and nature, deep connections with souls I've known before, cooking meals straight from the garden, time spent in the creek and hot tub,… read more
28 janv. 2018
Laissé par le workawayer (Membre Workaway) pour l'hôte
Hello friends working here! I had a beautiful time here - a total of 5 weeks. It was a breath of fresh air to be surrounded by open-minded, creative and conscious people. I must say the food is AMAZING and it really is the best I have ever eaten in my life. The garden is thriving and there is so much you can learn if you want to - just ask :)
It… read more
It… read more
12 déc. 2017
Laissé par l'hôte pour le workawayer (David)
David is motivated and keen to be involved. He is responsible and reliable. He was a great addition to our team, and we were very happy to have him here. He's well researched and can hold a great conversation about the mysteries of the world.
(Excellent
)
7 oct. 2017
Laissé par le workawayer (David) pour l'hôte
Probably one of the most beautiful places to stay in byron bay, there is always something going on, and lots of interesting people coming and going.
I was really impressed by the permacolture garden, which grew almost all the food we where eating everyday, definately the best example of permacolture i came across during my travels!
Hope your… read more
I was really impressed by the permacolture garden, which grew almost all the food we where eating everyday, definately the best example of permacolture i came across during my travels!
Hope your… read more
12 déc. 2017
Laissé par l'hôte pour le workawayer (Sebastian & Molly)
Seb & Molly were a great pair of helpers. They were keen and enthusiastic, but also very open to learning new things. We wish them well in their travels, and hope to see them again here some day.
(Excellent
)
30 oct. 2017
Laissé par le workawayer (Sebastian & Molly) pour l'hôte
This is a beautiful place that has inspired many parts of my life and taught me a lot about permaculture, sustainable living and myself! Met a lot of wonderful people here and was sad to say goodbye. Thanks everyone in paradise xxx
12 déc. 2017
Laissé par l'hôte pour le workawayer (Erin )
Avis : Le workawayer a annulé son séjour ou ne s’est pas présenté à la dernière minute
(Non présentation)
12 déc. 2017
Laissé par l'hôte pour le workawayer (Leonardo)
Leo was motivated, friendly, and great fun to have around. We enjoyed having him here, and wish him well.
(Excellent
)
8 nov. 2017
Laissé par le workawayer (Leonardo) pour l'hôte
This is a place like no other, not only do you learn permaculture in a very relaxed environment with professional gardeners eager to teach, but you also enjoy an exlent and healthy diet. The place, its surroundings and the redisents are amazing, a lot of inspiration and good energy, they also help you boost your skills. I remember my afternoons… read more
4 déc. 2017
Laissé par le workawayer (Franziska) pour l'hôte
In here I mostly found myself waking up viewing the lush greenery of the big beautiful garden saying 'and - another day in Paradise'. This place is so authentic, natural, green and simply mind blowing that you easily want to extend your stay - like I did :) . Every day was special and different in its own beauty from the very moment I arrived… read more
1 nov. 2017
Laissé par l'hôte pour le workawayer (Diego)
Diego was a great help. He was friendly, enthusiastic,polite and diligent. We wish him the best in his travels and recommend him to any host.
(Excellent
)
1 nov. 2017
Laissé par le workawayer (Diego) pour l'hôte
This is an amazing, magical place! I was there for 3 weeks. I learned many things about permaculture, gardening, cooking and even construction.
The atmosphere there is wonderful, everyone was very kind to me and they had a lot of patience with my "poor English".
Thank you very much Yao and Frank for everything. I will miss that paradise.
Until the… read more
The atmosphere there is wonderful, everyone was very kind to me and they had a lot of patience with my "poor English".
Thank you very much Yao and Frank for everything. I will miss that paradise.
Until the… read more
8 sept. 2017
Laissé par le workawayer (Naomi) pour l'hôte
This is a really awesome place! Beautiful nature. It's a great opportunity to learn a lot about gardening, sustainable and community living. Spending my days gardening, swimming in the river, eating homegrown, organic vegan food and talking with interesting and like minded individuals was awesome. The gift economy is a great concept that brings a… read more
24 juin 2017
Laissé par le workawayer (Alexzandra & Christopher) pour l'hôte
This is a beautiful property with lovely people. Everyone was kind and welcoming. Work was varied and easy. You are encouraged to take initiative and get involved. And the food was great! Thanks again everyone:)
14 juin 2017
Laissé par le workawayer (Patrick David) pour l'hôte
I stayed in this place for almost 5 months and only half a year later I decide to finally write a feedback. Shame on me! It just wouldn't feel right to leave it uncommented though. Since everybody here already mentioned the delicious, partly self-grown food and welcoming arms of every resident, I'll write this review on a more personal… read more
23 déc. 2016
Laissé par l'hôte pour le workawayer (Patrick David)
Patrick was a great help. He was a fast learner and very keen to try and learn new things. He learned carpentry skills and kitchen skills while staying with and was a valued member of our team.
(Excellent
)
3 avr. 2017
Laissé par l'hôte pour le workawayer (Joël & Joanna)
Joel & Joanna were great additions to our home. They were enthusiastic and keen to learn, and also happy to help with any task. They were friendly and warm-hearted, and we thoroughly enjoyed their presence. We recommend them to any host.
(Excellent
)
30 mars 2017
Laissé par le workawayer (Joël & Joanna) pour l'hôte
We had the opportunity to live for three weeks here.
We met many open minded, interesting, beautiful and creative people. We learnt a lot of permarculture thanks to the amazing gardener Mr. Vegetables. We also got the chance to cook (and eat) healthy and amazingly tasty food.
This place gives you the opportunity to live with nature and in an… read more
We met many open minded, interesting, beautiful and creative people. We learnt a lot of permarculture thanks to the amazing gardener Mr. Vegetables. We also got the chance to cook (and eat) healthy and amazingly tasty food.
This place gives you the opportunity to live with nature and in an… read more
14 mars 2017
Laissé par le workawayer ( Mo) pour l'hôte
I had such a great stay here and would have loved to stay longer if it wasn't for already booked plans. Highly recommended for anyone who wants to learn about perma culture and gardening. The food is amazing! If you like to cook, don't hesitate by joining in the kitchen team and learn how to cook the best food ever.
It's a truly relaxed and… read more
It's a truly relaxed and… read more
12 mars 2017
Laissé par l'hôte pour le workawayer ( Mo)
It was a pleasure to host Mo. She was enthusiastic, friendly, and great in the kitchen. We wish he well, and hope she can come back some day.
(Excellent
)
13 févr. 2017
Laissé par l'hôte pour le workawayer (Erica)
Sunny (Erica) was as great addition to our team. Apart from being enthusiastic about helping wherever and whenever possible, Sunny brought a wonderfully bright and caring attitude, which she shared with everyone. Her personality matches her nickname, Sunshine, as she beams rays of sunshine into the lives of those around her. We miss her a lot,… read more
(Excellent
)
11 févr. 2017
Laissé par le workawayer (Erica) pour l'hôte
My 4 months here were some of the most nourishing and transformative of my life. I learned so much about myself, the way I want to live, and about how to live in a community. I had such special connections with everyone in the crew, the place holds a special energy and attracts some really incredible beings. Highlights included: feeling super… read more
12 févr. 2017
Laissé par l'hôte pour le workawayer (Duncan)
Duncan is friendly, and personable, and brings a special gift for campfire storytelling. It was nice having him, here and we wish him well in his travels.
(Excellent
)
9 janv. 2017
Laissé par le workawayer (Duncan) pour l'hôte
This is a special place!
It is a playground of magical creativity and the land is beautiful.
The freedom to choose your own work mans you can keep yourself in balance and feel happy to give your energy to contributing to the project.
All the best for your future developments and thanks for having me!
It is a playground of magical creativity and the land is beautiful.
The freedom to choose your own work mans you can keep yourself in balance and feel happy to give your energy to contributing to the project.
All the best for your future developments and thanks for having me!
30 janv. 2017
Laissé par l'hôte pour le workawayer (Maria & Kieran)
Maria & Kieran were great helpers, we really enjoyed having them around. They were happy to help in many different areas, and had a positive attitude. We recommend them to any host.
(Excellent
)
6 janv. 2017
Laissé par le workawayer (Maria & Kieran) pour l'hôte
I had an amazing time ! I was there for two weeks but I wish I could have stayed longer. The gardens are amazing, I learnt a lot of things about permaculture, we collected all our food and it was incredibly yummy. The place is a real paradise...a nice river to swim, a treehouse to enjoy movies or paint, and beautiful nature!
The ideas and values… read more
The ideas and values… read more
30 janv. 2017
Laissé par l'hôte pour le workawayer (Yaquta)
Yaq was a great help whilst she was here, she was motivated and able to organise others in a team. We enjoyed having her here and just wish she could have stayed longer!
(Excellent
)
12 janv. 2017
Laissé par le workawayer (Yaquta) pour l'hôte
I will never forget my time with the host, learnt alot and made special friendships. Thank you so much frankie and yao!! Good luck :)
23 déc. 2016
Laissé par l'hôte pour le workawayer (Ben)
We've hosted many amazing volunteers here, but Ben was super amazing! He was tireless in the garden, the kitchen, or anywhere that he could see a chance to help out. There are not many like him, and we could not recommend him highly enough. We hope that one day he will come back and stay with us again. We wish him the best!
(Excellent
)
23 déc. 2016
Laissé par l'hôte pour le workawayer (Luke)
Luke was a fantastic helper, one of the best! He was very hard-working and enthusiastic, and we just wish he could have stayed longer! We wish him all the best in his travels, and would recommend him highly.
(Excellent
)
23 déc. 2016
Laissé par l'hôte pour le workawayer (Camila)
Camila is a fantastic helper. She is hard-working, and self-motivated. She was a big help cleaning and in the garden, and we hope that she will come back to volunteer again with us.
We would recommend her very highly to any host,
We would recommend her very highly to any host,
(Excellent
)
23 déc. 2016
Laissé par l'hôte pour le workawayer (Anna & Olli)
Anna & Olli were hard-working and enthusiastic volunteers. Olli is a great carpenter and builder & Anna was ready to help where ever needed. We really enjoyed hosting them, and wish them well on their travels. We would recommend them to any host.
(Excellent
)
23 déc. 2016
Laissé par l'hôte pour le workawayer (Yannick)
Yannick is a highly skilled carpenter and artist who brought a beautiful, positive and calm energy. He did some amazing work here, and we were very happy to share our home with him. We would recommend him very highly.
(Excellent
)
23 déc. 2016
Laissé par l'hôte pour le workawayer (Nidala)
Nidala was a fantastic volunteer! She brought a beautiful positive energy to our place, and was self-motivated and very enthusiastic. She was a great asset and will be missed.
(Excellent
)
23 déc. 2016
Laissé par l'hôte pour le workawayer (Lucia)
Lucy was a wonderful volunteer, and we couldnt recommend her highly enough. She is a great addition to any team!
(Excellent
)
23 déc. 2016
Laissé par l'hôte pour le workawayer (Sophia)
Sophia was a very warm-hearted and enthusiatic volunteer. It was a pleasure to host her here :)
(Excellent
)
24 avr. 2016
Laissé par le workawayer (Sophia) pour l'hôte
Many big thanks to Franky and Yao for letting me stay at your beautiful place... everyone welcomed me in with open arms, you all made such incredible food and such an amazing garden. I can't tell you how much I enjoyed working in the garden, either in sunny or rainy weather! A place that holds many memories for me! Thank you so much for such a… read more
11 août 2016
Laissé par l'hôte pour le workawayer (William)
Bill was great to have around, happy to get involved in all aspects of our world here, a good cook, musician, and great company. We miss him :)
(Excellent
)
28 juin 2016
Laissé par le workawayer (William) pour l'hôte
Very late feedback but.....thanks Frank and Yao for letting me in to your beautiful world for a few weeks. It's a special site with amazing people, and even though my stay was short I made some great pals and learnt a lot about myself, permaculture and cooking (the food is incredible). Highly highly recommended :)
21 juin 2016
Laissé par l'hôte pour le workawayer (Ralf)
Ralph was fantastic to have around. He was always happy to help with any task, going further than necessary at times, shopping wood, helping with the dishes. He was calm and eager to learn new things.
(Excellent
)
16 févr. 2016
Laissé par le workawayer (Laura) pour l'hôte
For you fellow workawayer this is a great opportunity if you want to learn about growing your own food -Leeroy who is in charge of the garden will share his knowledge with you- cooking the best vegan food ever -everyone is a master chef, but Frank's cooking is out if this world- organizing music, meditation and arts retreats and festivals -Yao… read more
15 févr. 2016
Laissé par l'hôte pour le workawayer (siuntee)
Singrid is a motivated and enthusiastic volunteer. She is respectful and diligent, and would be asset to any host.
(Excellent
)
11 févr. 2016
Laissé par le workawayer (siuntee) pour l'hôte
I had an amazing time here and I could learn a lot about gardening and cooking. It was my first workaway experience and it was really great. I felt welcome from the second I arrived and I enjoyed my stay a lot. The place ist just incredible. Thank you so much for this!
7 déc. 2015
Laissé par le workawayer (Morteza) pour l'hôte
I had an amazing time and learned a lot in my short stay. This really is special, not enough words can explain it!
I highly recommend this place.
Thanks again guys you're all a beautiful bunch of people.
I highly recommend this place.
Thanks again guys you're all a beautiful bunch of people.
7 oct. 2015
Laissé par le workawayer (Emmy) pour l'hôte
Had a great time, will always remember this trip! The gardens are super inspiring.
Thanks Yao + Frank !
Thanks Yao + Frank !
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